Explore insights on software development and organizational structures in this GOTO Conferences interview with Elisabeth Hendrickson and Charles Humble. Delve into topics such as debunking testing ratios, the impact of organizational structures on quality, and strategies for team alignment. Learn about Pivotal's organizational model, challenges of layoffs and reorganizations, and the importance of balancing intuition with reality. Gain practical strategies for engineering leaders and fresh perspectives on driving meaningful change within teams and organizations. Discover how to optimize quality assurance and team dynamics through candid reflections and actionable advice from seasoned professionals.