Explore the intersection of physics and philosophy in this thought-provoking conversation with Carlo Rovelli, a renowned theoretical physicist, philosopher, and bestselling author. Delve into the quest for quantum gravity, the importance of unlearning outdated ideas, and unconventional approaches to scientific challenges. Discover Rovelli's insights on the nature of reality, the role of evidence in scientific progress, and the concept of loop quantum gravity. Gain perspective on the challenges and frustrations faced in theoretical physics research, the importance of humility in scientific pursuits, and the value of embracing uncertainty. Learn about Rovelli's unique approach to science communication and his views on the future of physics beyond quantum gravity.