Explore the intersection of information theory, biology, and the origins of life in this thought-provoking podcast episode featuring Sara Imari Walker. Delve into complex systems science and its shift from objects to relationships and processes. Examine the fundamental questions about the nature of living systems, including what defines life, what is considered alive, and when life began. Discover how physics and information theory provide new perspectives on researching living systems and searching for signs of life in the cosmos. Gain insights into the Santa Fe Institute's long-standing exploration of these profound scientific inquiries. Listen as Walker discusses the connections between information, matter, and energy, and how different scientific approaches converge to form a unified understanding of life's complexities.