Explore the journey of container orchestration from Docker Swarm to Kubernetes and back in this 42-minute conference talk. Gain insights into the decision-making process for choosing an orchestrator, with a focus on Citizens Bank's experience. Learn about the value of microservices, the importance of containers, and the key considerations when selecting between Swarm and Kubernetes. Discover how operational and development challenges can be addressed with various orchestrators, and understand the reasons behind Citizens Bank's orchestration choices. Delve into topics such as security issues, stateful services, application packaging, and the human factor in container orchestration. Examine the philosophy behind different orchestration approaches and their impact on IT operations.